"Would you prefer this interview go another way?" I asked.
"Not at all," Rabbi Stern replied. "No matter how we proceed we’re going to run into some of the same kinds of problems."
"Would you give me an example of this problem?"
"For example, you talk about levels of religious consciousness. That’s not in Jewish tradition. There are different kinds of experiences within Judaism which you might characterize as ‘levels of consciousness’ but it’s not like rungs of a ladder."